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 Post subject: going deep / rarely cash
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:32 pm 
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here is where it is weird I seem to be able to go deep into tournies but rarely cash any advice on changing thing to help? I am not to aggresive of a player and seem to loss many due to over the top bets. Any idea on how to change this style of play?


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 Post subject: Re: going deep / rarely cash
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:10 pm 
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I don't think it is all that weird to go deep into many tourneys and rarely cash. Sometimes you play well and just get unlucky or just run cold. I think running deep into a tourney takes good cards, good luck and, most of all, good play to maximize good luck and cards. I don't think many people are able to consistantly run deep into the money.

To improve your chances you might want to try playing looser in the early rounds to build a stack early, or if you are constantly getting reraised, make a stand and call somebody. They are probably just taking advantage of your tight style, and somtimes you will take those hands down. You could also just stay the course and eventually good cards, good luck and good play will culminate in a big finish for you.


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 Post subject: Re: going deep / rarely cash
PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:55 am 
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catzeyez wrote:
here is where it is weird I seem to be able to go deep into tournies but rarely cash any advice on changing thing to help? I am not to aggresive of a player and seem to loss many due to over the top bets. Any idea on how to change this style of play?


I think that you probably need to be more aggressive, especially in position. One of the best people I have played has an expression that says punish the limpers(funny just had to limpers to the dictionary guess it doesn't know limper is a noun). If you're in the cutoff or on the button and wake up with a premium hand and you have a bunch of limpers you should make your standard raise +1BB for each limper, at this point I also use the 20% rule if the raise is more than 20% of my stack I push or fold. I'll push with AA, KK, or QQ and fold most other hands unless I'm already short stacked(M less than 5) then I'll push with any A and any suited paint.

Doing this helped immensely in making it deeper into tourneys, yes it may mean some early exits but the name of the game is cashes and money won not how close you can get to the bubble with out breaking it.

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 Post subject: Re: going deep / rarely cash
PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:35 pm 
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Hi catzeyez, haven't run into you in awhile. Hope all is well.

As you know, online poker has evolved with all the new players and their willingness to gamble with weak hands. You also know tight- aggressive is the winning formula. 4X means nothing to some anymore, but 8X does. You have what it takes to go deep, you have what it takes to win. Chip count is what you need to maintain for each level. Sounds like your fizzling at that point. Set goals each hour, identify the weak players and use them to build your piles. Avoid confrontations with good players, but be the one to create them with weak players. Be strong at the hands you do play. Instead of checking bad flops, follow with a continuation bet if you raised preflop. ...I think you know everything, just playing too passive. Most young players are over aggressive. Identify that.

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 Post subject: Re: going deep / rarely cash
PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:40 pm 
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story of my life lol it happens to everyone at some point, best thing to do is just sit back if your close to the money if you have enough chips and let the others fall out till you are there, dont take unneccesary risks


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 Post subject: Re: going deep / rarely cash
PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:47 am 
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The way I ended up going from deep to final table more often was to stop worrying about making the money at all and get very aggressive at the time others started tightening up. If they never do tighten up, like on PokerStars for example, then I'm not a good one to give advice, cause I suck when they're all aggressive like I want to be. But I'm sure you've experienced tourneys where everyone tightens up as bubble time approaches. That's when I start raising more often preflop if it hasn't already been raised ahead of me. You'd be surprised how many times they'll all fold and you pick up valuable blinds and antes. If you get short-stacked (for me around 10 x bb), push all in with any two when it's folded around to you when you're the button or the sb, or if you're the bb and it's folded around to the sb and he limps. Also when short-stacked, use any excuse you can to shove all in in any position if it's unraised and unlimped and you have something even remotely half-way decent, an exception being A rag since a caller is likely to have an A with a better kicker. 7 2 off is much better for a shove during those times cause you have a higher likelihood of having 2 live ones against whatever you get called with and then you'll get your share of outdraws. Playing this way, you need luck for the times when you do get called, but at least you're giving yourself chances to get that luck as opposed to letting yourself get blinded out.

I know all this goes counter to the advice to wait until the money-bubble bursts and then make moves, but that advice is wrong, it is, trust me. Another thing you'll find is that after the money-bubble does burst, the tight ones have a tendency to keep on playing tight for some reason even though they're telling themselves that they just made the money so they can loosen up now. I guess what they do is start hungering for that next money increase, but what you should really be hungering for is 1st place. Play enough tourneys and I guarantee, you'll get your share of those, too.


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 Post subject: Re: going deep / rarely cash
PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:40 am 
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If you do make it deep in a tournament and start to get close to the money or allready in the money you should change your play to super tight.Let everyone else make the mistakes.
I have got to the final table several times and being the shortest stack on the table. And ending up finishing in the top 3. All by changing your play.
I would recommend playing high pairs and AK and AQ suited ONLY!!!!
If your at the final table and you get pocket 5's, 6's, 7s. Just fold unless your in the blinds and it wont cost much to get in.
And dont put all your chips in on a draw. And AK is not a great hand to push all-in with. I would recommend pushing with some kind of pocket pair if you can.
If you just sit back and let everyone else knock there self out it will move you up in the money.
Always remember that you are playing to win money and not for what place your in. Its nice to finish first but you should always consider the money first.


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